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	<description>Thoughts and Updates on Positive Organizational Scholarship and Its Implications for Leaders</description>
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		<title>Comment on When Life Throws a Curve Ball&#8230; by How to throw curveball</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to throw curveball</dc:creator>
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		<description>Sustaining a positive attitude is key when life becomes hard to handle.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Making Work Fun by Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the billing department example is a great complement to the Italian design company. In the latter case, &quot;fun&quot; isn&#039;t an issue because the work is intrinsically interesting. In the former, fun is installed as a break from drudgery, but no one is being asked to -- or manipulated into -- thinking the boring task is fun. In both cases, a serious scale of values is being respected (the worker&#039;s own sense of the value of the work is not being called into question). I think I&#039;m reacting the the way the videos gloss over (to stick the metaphor of a veneer) the everyday boredom of some things.

The piano stairs just reminded me of something, not quite related. In Copenhagen they had a problem with too many people taking the elevators down to the metro station platforms. They were intended for people in wheelchairs and with baby carriages, and these people (who really needed the elevators because they couldn&#039;t take the escalators) found themselves having to wait. The solution wasn&#039;t to make the stairs more fun; on the contrary, all that was needed was to make the elevators a bit slower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the billing department example is a great complement to the Italian design company. In the latter case, &#8220;fun&#8221; isn&#8217;t an issue because the work is intrinsically interesting. In the former, fun is installed as a break from drudgery, but no one is being asked to &#8212; or manipulated into &#8212; thinking the boring task is fun. In both cases, a serious scale of values is being respected (the worker&#8217;s own sense of the value of the work is not being called into question). I think I&#8217;m reacting the the way the videos gloss over (to stick the metaphor of a veneer) the everyday boredom of some things.</p>
<p>The piano stairs just reminded me of something, not quite related. In Copenhagen they had a problem with too many people taking the elevators down to the metro station platforms. They were intended for people in wheelchairs and with baby carriages, and these people (who really needed the elevators because they couldn&#8217;t take the escalators) found themselves having to wait. The solution wasn&#8217;t to make the stairs more fun; on the contrary, all that was needed was to make the elevators a bit slower.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Increasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? by Houston Texans &#8211; Team Report &#124; RookieDraft.com &#124; Houston Texans NFL Announcer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houston Texans &#8211; Team Report &#124; RookieDraft.com &#124; Houston Texans NFL Announcer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Increasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? &#124; The LIFT Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Making Work Fun by Ryan Quinn, Monica Worline, Robert Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Quinn, Monica Worline, Robert Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Thomas. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You make some very important points. I agree with you that some ways of making work intrinsically interesting or intrinsically motivating are more substantive than others. My intent in using the &quot;fun theory&quot; videos was simply to illustrate that concept of re-framing in a fun way for readers. Some forms of re-framing would certainly be more substantive or more enduring than others. While it is true that these specific examples may be more veneer than substance, my hope was simply to use them to illustrate how we can use metaphorical thinking as a way to come up with new ideas about how to approach our work.

I know of some instances, for example, where what may have begun as fun veneers have become substantive over time. Some of my colleagues, for example, have studied a hospital billing department where the work is often repetitive drudgery. Among other fun diversions, the manager has instilled water gun breaks to help the employees disconnect, re-engage, build relationships, and so forth. These kinds of interventions could have been superficial veneer--and probably would be in many organizations. They work in this billing department, though. I think one of the reasons is because the employees know that the leader is not trying to manipulate them, but that she really cares about them and is trying to help them make the best of a tough situation. Her department has the lowest billable days in the industry. She makes the veneer substantive.

The billing department&#039;s way is certainly not the only way to do it. I agree that the Italian CEO deliberately made work fun for his employees. His employees work there out of interest, rather than out of fun per se. And, as you point out, a leader can help employees discover this kind of interest in their work through re-framing—particularly if the re-framing is a joint effort of mutual concern, rather than a manipulative tactic on the part of the leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Thomas. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You make some very important points. I agree with you that some ways of making work intrinsically interesting or intrinsically motivating are more substantive than others. My intent in using the &#8220;fun theory&#8221; videos was simply to illustrate that concept of re-framing in a fun way for readers. Some forms of re-framing would certainly be more substantive or more enduring than others. While it is true that these specific examples may be more veneer than substance, my hope was simply to use them to illustrate how we can use metaphorical thinking as a way to come up with new ideas about how to approach our work.</p>
<p>I know of some instances, for example, where what may have begun as fun veneers have become substantive over time. Some of my colleagues, for example, have studied a hospital billing department where the work is often repetitive drudgery. Among other fun diversions, the manager has instilled water gun breaks to help the employees disconnect, re-engage, build relationships, and so forth. These kinds of interventions could have been superficial veneer&#8211;and probably would be in many organizations. They work in this billing department, though. I think one of the reasons is because the employees know that the leader is not trying to manipulate them, but that she really cares about them and is trying to help them make the best of a tough situation. Her department has the lowest billable days in the industry. She makes the veneer substantive.</p>
<p>The billing department&#8217;s way is certainly not the only way to do it. I agree that the Italian CEO deliberately made work fun for his employees. His employees work there out of interest, rather than out of fun per se. And, as you point out, a leader can help employees discover this kind of interest in their work through re-framing—particularly if the re-framing is a joint effort of mutual concern, rather than a manipulative tactic on the part of the leader.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Increasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? by Congress Set to Outlaw Outlawing of Public Sector Unions by States &#124; Labor Law Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Congress Set to Outlaw Outlawing of Public Sector Unions by States &#124; Labor Law Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Employee Cooperation Act: The Heritage Foundation 2010 Labor Boot Camp- Resolution MediationIncreasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? &#124; The LIFT BlogRep. Murzin: Time To Fess Up And Be Honest About Consolidation : NorthEscambia.comOpen thread 3/7 &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Making Work Fun by Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan, great post. Gets me thinking. I think it is very true that intrinsic motivation is best. But are those videos really examples of instrinsic motivation? The &quot;fun&quot; component, after all, is sort of added to the &quot;outside&quot; of the basic activity (going up stairs, picking up trash) without have anything instrinsic to do with it. It&#039;s a fun, shiny veneer.

I don&#039;t think that Italian CEO was talking about work being &quot;fun&quot; in that sense. In fact, I shudder to think of an organization that carries out intrinsically boring things in extrinsically fun ways. The solution to the problem of motivation is to rethink the values that defined the tasks--and the values that connect tasks to each other in jobs and positions.

I think &quot;funning up&quot; drudgery is a very short term solution. A shiny veneer of fun quickly wears off. (I think the videos show the effect of novelty, not fun, on use. The peeeeeeeeeeeeew-bhwang would quickly become a nuissance in a part normally full of birdsong. Surely the piano steps would sound horrid at peak periods?)

Final point: if I&#039;m right about the fun dimension as extrinsic in these cases then we need to remember the research in social psychology that show that rewarding things that people are intrinsically motivated to do has negative effects on precisely that motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan, great post. Gets me thinking. I think it is very true that intrinsic motivation is best. But are those videos really examples of instrinsic motivation? The &#8220;fun&#8221; component, after all, is sort of added to the &#8220;outside&#8221; of the basic activity (going up stairs, picking up trash) without have anything instrinsic to do with it. It&#8217;s a fun, shiny veneer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Italian CEO was talking about work being &#8220;fun&#8221; in that sense. In fact, I shudder to think of an organization that carries out intrinsically boring things in extrinsically fun ways. The solution to the problem of motivation is to rethink the values that defined the tasks&#8211;and the values that connect tasks to each other in jobs and positions.</p>
<p>I think &#8220;funning up&#8221; drudgery is a very short term solution. A shiny veneer of fun quickly wears off. (I think the videos show the effect of novelty, not fun, on use. The peeeeeeeeeeeeew-bhwang would quickly become a nuissance in a part normally full of birdsong. Surely the piano steps would sound horrid at peak periods?)</p>
<p>Final point: if I&#8217;m right about the fun dimension as extrinsic in these cases then we need to remember the research in social psychology that show that rewarding things that people are intrinsically motivated to do has negative effects on precisely that motivation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Increasing Profit: How Far Should an Executive Go? by Increasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? &#124; The LIFT Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Increasing Capacity: How Far Should a Teacher Go? &#124; The LIFT Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] research, reviewed in my last blog, showed that 25% of management teams live on the high performance trajectory.  These teams are not [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Setting Up Others To Succeed by harvard business review</title>
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		<dc:creator>harvard business review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;harvard business review...&lt;/strong&gt;

Your topic Setting Up Others To Succeed &#124; The LIFT Blog was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for harvard business review ....</description>
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<p>Your topic Setting Up Others To Succeed | The LIFT Blog was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for harvard business review &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching the Ethics of Organizational Change by business code ethics</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingwithlift.com/blog/2009/11/10/teaching-the-ethics-of-organizational-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>business code ethics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;business code ethics...&lt;/strong&gt;

Last Monday I visit your Teaching the Ethics of Organizational Change &#124; The LIFT Blog site ,I have a special experience after reading  your business code ethics site/blog....</description>
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<p>Last Monday I visit your Teaching the Ethics of Organizational Change | The LIFT Blog site ,I have a special experience after reading  your business code ethics site/blog&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Social Practice of Leadership by practice</title>
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		<dc:creator>practice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;practice...&lt;/strong&gt;

Your topic Ball Position &amp; Stance Width &quot; Visit the new site at http ... was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for practice...</description>
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<p>Your topic Ball Position &amp;amp; Stance Width &#8221; Visit the new site at http &#8230; was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for practice&#8230;</p>
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